oui tu oublie que pour un chanteur puissent vendre il faut qu'il soit écouté
le p2p est un merveilleux moyen d'echange qui permet d'augmenter le public d'un chanteur et donc esperer vendre plus de disque/titre
je dirais comme Brassens lors du même problème avec la cassette audio
je suis contre ceux qui piratent pour vendre
1) Ca fait de la surcharge de travail pour les enseignants qui sont déjà bien débordés, et il ne seront pas mieux payés.
les livres sont fait par qui a ton avis ? des prof , bon il seront moins payés 2) Ca conduit à des pertes d'argent (donc d'emplois) pour les éditeurs, d'autant plus que le marché scolaire est très lucratif, sans générer de gains dans d'autre secteurs (le travail effectué de façon payante le sera de façon gratuite) ...
/i>
faux les prof sont déja payées par l'éducation nationale
While we don't want/intend to take sides in the pwcx/kernel dispute,
we want to make it clear that these claims are simply not true.
The pwc driver is very useful without pwcx.
The LavaRnd project uses webcams with lens caps an entropy sources
for generating random numbers (see http://www.lavarnd.org(...)). One of
our reference webcams is the Logitech QuickCam 3000 Pro - pwc730 webcam
(see http://www.lavarnd.org/developer/pwc730.html(...)).
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:16:18PM -0700, lkml-mail@asthe.com wrote:
>>
>> We would be happy to discuss ways that the pwc might be maintained
>> in the linux kernel. If we can help, please ask us (see
>> http://www.lavarnd.org/about-us/contact-us.html(...) for our EMail address).
Then clean up the text a bit to point to you as the maintainer, that no
one should bother the original author anymore, and such. Cleanup and
change anything else that you think needs to be done to the driver, and
then send me that patch as documented in the
Documentation/SubmittingPatches in the kernel tree.
Then you would be the new maintainer of the driver, and the code would
be back in the kernel tree.
et comme on a pas les sources des drivers non plus on ,ne peux pas recompiler c'est cool ?
et comme on a pas accés aux sources du noyau on ne pourrait pas recompiler le driver a moins qu'on puisse recompiler sans rien savoir du noyaux
le tout sans nda
Ben essaye de prendre un driver pour MacOS 9 et le recompiler sous Linux, tu verras c'est pas facile. Pourtant c'est ce que tu demandes ici, des drivers qui marchent pour 2 OS completement differents.
le problème est donc qu'il doit rester sous un os difficilement sécurisable(*) aka windows 98 parcequ'il n'a pas de driver pour sa webcam
c'est cool windows
* ce n'est pas de moi mais de la résponsable des systèmes d'exploitation chez microsoft qui le dit
"Q: Why did you remove the hook from the pwc driver?
A: It was there for the explicit purpose to support a binary only
module. That goes against the kernel's documented procedures, so I
had to take it out.
Q: That hook had been in there for years! Why did you suddenly decide
to remove it now?
A: I was really not aware of the hook, and the fact that it was only
good for a binary module to use. I'm sorry, I should have realized
this years ago, but I didn't. Recently someone pointed this hook out
to me, and the fact that it really didn't belong in there due to the
kernel's policy of such hooks. So, once I became aware of it, I had
no choice but to remove it.
Q: Why did you delete the whole pwc driver from the tree?
A: That is what the original author (Nemosoft) wanted to happen. It was
his request, and I honored it. Go ask him why he wanted it out if
you are upset about this, I merely accepted his decision as he was
the current maintainer and author of the code.
Q: But you took away my freedom! Isn't Linux about freedom?
A: Again, it was Nemosoft's decision. The kernel also has to abide by
it's documented procedures, so that is why the hook had to go.
Remember, the original driver was released under the GPL, so you are
free to take that code and maintain it if you so desire. I'd gladly
support someone taking the GPL code and agreeing to maintain it, and
resubmitting it for inclusion in the main kernel tree. That's the
freedom that Linux provides, no closed source OS would allow you to
do that, if a company pulled support for a product (which happens all
the time.)
Q: You jerk, I had invested lots of money in this camera, you are
costing me money by ripping it out. You should be ashamed of
yourself!
A: See the above question about freedom. If it means that much to you,
then offer to maintain the code, it's that simple.
Q: You are keeping companies from wanting to write binary drivers for
Linux.
A: Duh! What do you think all of the kernel developers have been
stating for years, in public. Binary drivers only take from Linux,
they do not give back anything. See Andrew Morton's OLS 2004 keynote
address for more information and background on this topic.
Q: You are a fundamentalist turd / jerk / pompous ass /
GNU-freebeer-biased-idiot-fundamentalist fucktard / ignorant slut!
A: I've been called worse by better people, get over yourself.
"Q: Why did you remove the hook from the pwc driver?
A: It was there for the explicit purpose to support a binary only
module. That goes against the kernel's documented procedures, so I
had to take it out.
Q: That hook had been in there for years! Why did you suddenly decide
to remove it now?
A: I was really not aware of the hook, and the fact that it was only
good for a binary module to use. I'm sorry, I should have realized
this years ago, but I didn't. Recently someone pointed this hook out
to me, and the fact that it really didn't belong in there due to the
kernel's policy of such hooks. So, once I became aware of it, I had
no choice but to remove it.
Q: Why did you delete the whole pwc driver from the tree?
A: That is what the original author (Nemosoft) wanted to happen. It was
his request, and I honored it. Go ask him why he wanted it out if
you are upset about this, I merely accepted his decision as he was
the current maintainer and author of the code.
Q: But you took away my freedom! Isn't Linux about freedom?
A: Again, it was Nemosoft's decision. The kernel also has to abide by
it's documented procedures, so that is why the hook had to go.
Remember, the original driver was released under the GPL, so you are
free to take that code and maintain it if you so desire. I'd gladly
support someone taking the GPL code and agreeing to maintain it, and
resubmitting it for inclusion in the main kernel tree. That's the
freedom that Linux provides, no closed source OS would allow you to
do that, if a company pulled support for a product (which happens all
the time.)
Q: You jerk, I had invested lots of money in this camera, you are
costing me money by ripping it out. You should be ashamed of
yourself!
A: See the above question about freedom. If it means that much to you,
then offer to maintain the code, it's that simple.
Q: You are keeping companies from wanting to write binary drivers for
Linux.
A: Duh! What do you think all of the kernel developers have been
stating for years, in public. Binary drivers only take from Linux,
they do not give back anything. See Andrew Morton's OLS 2004 keynote
address for more information and background on this topic.
Q: You are a fundamentalist turd / jerk / pompous ass /
GNU-freebeer-biased-idiot-fundamentalist fucktard / ignorant slut!
A: I've been called worse by better people, get over yourself.
désolé d'être aussi long pour répondre :-)
garnome n'est pas mort j'ai installe gnome 2.7.4 avec garnome-nightly-build
d'après la mailling list le mainteneur de garnome est assez occupé et donc la pas de garnome pour la béta1
pour le championnat d'europe les joueurs devaient sejourner dans l'hotel choisit par l'organisateur , je crois que pour les championnats d'europe pour les jeunes c'était pareil
heureusement que l'ACP boycotte cette compétition
fiat n'est pas propriétaire de ferrari ?
de toute façons les modifications que tu dois apporter sur une fiat pour mettre un moteur de ferrari hein ça va couter tres cher
les comparaisons a la con c'est gentil , mais bon ça n'a iren a voir
Ils ont eu besoin de l'aide d'IBM pour pouvoir racheter Suse qui n'etait pourtant pas si cher que ca.
source ?
je te signale que IBM était actionnaire de Suse et que la participation d'iBM dans Novell ( achat "d'action aprés l'onnonce de la vente de suse a novell )correspond a peu près a sa participation dans Suse
"Editorial: FFII is reporting that the city of Munich has halted its Linux migration while it studies the threat of software patenting. But why would the Green Party, friends of Open Source and enemies of sofware patents, have petitoned the city to cause this halt?
It's because the Green party wishes to firm up the position of the German federal government against software patenting. The EU recently passed a software patenting directive during the "first reading". That directive must now go to the "second reading", and parties in various European nations are mobilizing opposition to it. The Greens expect the City to find that global increases in software patenting would severely hinder Linux and Open Source, and make that clear to the federal government.
It's unfortunate that in response to the petition, the Munich authorities have frozen work on the Linux migration while they figure out the political problem. But this does point out, accurately, the problem of software patenting and hopefully will lead to additional action against it in Europe.- Bruce Perens "
le but est de montrer les dangers de la directive européenes sur les brevets
Excuse moi, mais ton post est réellement un ramassis d'idées reçues.
to roll = aller a la peche
dire que mes recherches sur google ne m'avait rien donner de concret ( en particulier sur le lithium )
la peche a été intérréssantes
[^] # Re: Ce serait encore mieux avec un lien sur ladite proposition
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Réforme du droit d'auteur : motivation et traduction législative. Évalué à 2.
le p2p est un merveilleux moyen d'echange qui permet d'augmenter le public d'un chanteur et donc esperer vendre plus de disque/titre
je dirais comme Brassens lors du même problème avec la cassette audio
je suis contre ceux qui piratent pour vendre
[^] # Re: Contre !
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Manuels scolaires libres.. Évalué à 4.
les livres sont fait par qui a ton avis ? des prof , bon il seront moins payés
2) Ca conduit à des pertes d'argent (donc d'emplois) pour les éditeurs, d'autant plus que le marché scolaire est très lucratif, sans générer de gains dans d'autre secteurs (le travail effectué de façon payante le sera de façon gratuite) ...
/i>
faux les prof sont déja payées par l'éducation nationale
[^] # Re: Ce serait encore mieux avec un lien sur ladite proposition
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Réforme du droit d'auteur : motivation et traduction législative. Évalué à 0.
[^] # a peine parti et bientôt de retour
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Fin du support Linux des webcams Philips. Évalué à 1.
pwc us useless without pwcx
While we don't want/intend to take sides in the pwcx/kernel dispute,
we want to make it clear that these claims are simply not true.
The pwc driver is very useful without pwcx.
The LavaRnd project uses webcams with lens caps an entropy sources
for generating random numbers (see http://www.lavarnd.org(...)). One of
our reference webcams is the Logitech QuickCam 3000 Pro - pwc730 webcam
(see http://www.lavarnd.org/developer/pwc730.html(...)).
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:16:18PM -0700, lkml-mail@asthe.com wrote:
>>
>> We would be happy to discuss ways that the pwc might be maintained
>> in the linux kernel. If we can help, please ask us (see
>> http://www.lavarnd.org/about-us/contact-us.html(...) for our EMail address).
Great. Here's what you can do. Take the patch availble at:
http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.5/cset@412d8e0cqutBsdGubqorXXC(...)
and apply it reversed to your kernel tree (with -R as an option to
patch). That patch has the binary hook already removed.
Then clean up the text a bit to point to you as the maintainer, that no
one should bother the original author anymore, and such. Cleanup and
change anything else that you think needs to be done to the driver, and
then send me that patch as documented in the
Documentation/SubmittingPatches in the kernel tree.
Then you would be the new maintainer of the driver, and the code would
be back in the kernel tree.
Sound good?
thanks,
greg k-h
[^] # Re: euhh ... mainteneurs oupsss ?
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Fin du support Linux des webcams Philips. Évalué à 0.
et comme on a pas accés aux sources du noyau on ne pourrait pas recompiler le driver a moins qu'on puisse recompiler sans rien savoir du noyaux
le tout sans nda
[^] # Re: euhh ... mainteneurs oupsss ?
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Fin du support Linux des webcams Philips. Évalué à 1.
le problème est donc qu'il doit rester sous un os difficilement sécurisable(*) aka windows 98 parcequ'il n'a pas de driver pour sa webcam
c'est cool windows
* ce n'est pas de moi mais de la résponsable des systèmes d'exploitation chez microsoft qui le dit
[^] # Re: euhh ... mainteneurs oupsss ?
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Fin du support Linux des webcams Philips. Évalué à 1.
A: It was there for the explicit purpose to support a binary only
module. That goes against the kernel's documented procedures, so I
had to take it out.
Q: That hook had been in there for years! Why did you suddenly decide
to remove it now?
A: I was really not aware of the hook, and the fact that it was only
good for a binary module to use. I'm sorry, I should have realized
this years ago, but I didn't. Recently someone pointed this hook out
to me, and the fact that it really didn't belong in there due to the
kernel's policy of such hooks. So, once I became aware of it, I had
no choice but to remove it.
Q: Why did you delete the whole pwc driver from the tree?
A: That is what the original author (Nemosoft) wanted to happen. It was
his request, and I honored it. Go ask him why he wanted it out if
you are upset about this, I merely accepted his decision as he was
the current maintainer and author of the code.
Q: But you took away my freedom! Isn't Linux about freedom?
A: Again, it was Nemosoft's decision. The kernel also has to abide by
it's documented procedures, so that is why the hook had to go.
Remember, the original driver was released under the GPL, so you are
free to take that code and maintain it if you so desire. I'd gladly
support someone taking the GPL code and agreeing to maintain it, and
resubmitting it for inclusion in the main kernel tree. That's the
freedom that Linux provides, no closed source OS would allow you to
do that, if a company pulled support for a product (which happens all
the time.)
Q: You jerk, I had invested lots of money in this camera, you are
costing me money by ripping it out. You should be ashamed of
yourself!
A: See the above question about freedom. If it means that much to you,
then offer to maintain the code, it's that simple.
Q: You are keeping companies from wanting to write binary drivers for
Linux.
A: Duh! What do you think all of the kernel developers have been
stating for years, in public. Binary drivers only take from Linux,
they do not give back anything. See Andrew Morton's OLS 2004 keynote
address for more information and background on this topic.
Q: You are a fundamentalist turd / jerk / pompous ass /
GNU-freebeer-biased-idiot-fundamentalist fucktard / ignorant slut!
A: I've been called worse by better people, get over yourself.
"Q: Why did you remove the hook from the pwc driver?
A: It was there for the explicit purpose to support a binary only
module. That goes against the kernel's documented procedures, so I
had to take it out.
Q: That hook had been in there for years! Why did you suddenly decide
to remove it now?
A: I was really not aware of the hook, and the fact that it was only
good for a binary module to use. I'm sorry, I should have realized
this years ago, but I didn't. Recently someone pointed this hook out
to me, and the fact that it really didn't belong in there due to the
kernel's policy of such hooks. So, once I became aware of it, I had
no choice but to remove it.
Q: Why did you delete the whole pwc driver from the tree?
A: That is what the original author (Nemosoft) wanted to happen. It was
his request, and I honored it. Go ask him why he wanted it out if
you are upset about this, I merely accepted his decision as he was
the current maintainer and author of the code.
Q: But you took away my freedom! Isn't Linux about freedom?
A: Again, it was Nemosoft's decision. The kernel also has to abide by
it's documented procedures, so that is why the hook had to go.
Remember, the original driver was released under the GPL, so you are
free to take that code and maintain it if you so desire. I'd gladly
support someone taking the GPL code and agreeing to maintain it, and
resubmitting it for inclusion in the main kernel tree. That's the
freedom that Linux provides, no closed source OS would allow you to
do that, if a company pulled support for a product (which happens all
the time.)
Q: You jerk, I had invested lots of money in this camera, you are
costing me money by ripping it out. You should be ashamed of
yourself!
A: See the above question about freedom. If it means that much to you,
then offer to maintain the code, it's that simple.
Q: You are keeping companies from wanting to write binary drivers for
Linux.
A: Duh! What do you think all of the kernel developers have been
stating for years, in public. Binary drivers only take from Linux,
they do not give back anything. See Andrew Morton's OLS 2004 keynote
address for more information and background on this topic.
Q: You are a fundamentalist turd / jerk / pompous ass /
GNU-freebeer-biased-idiot-fundamentalist fucktard / ignorant slut!
A: I've been called worse by better people, get over yourself.
voila la reponse du type qui a virer le hook
[^] # Re: gnome2.8beta1est sortit
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Un aperçu de GNOME 2.8. Évalué à 0.
garnome n'est pas mort j'ai installe gnome 2.7.4 avec garnome-nightly-build
d'après la mailling list le mainteneur de garnome est assez occupé et donc la pas de garnome pour la béta1
[^] # Re: le problème avec les partitins NTFS est réglé
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Mandrake 10.1 beta2 dispo. Évalué à 0.
# le problème avec les partitins NTFS est réglé
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Mandrake 10.1 beta2 dispo. Évalué à 2.
[^] # aux echecs on fait pire
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal L'esprit des Jeux Olympiques. Évalué à 2.
heureusement que l'ACP boycotte cette compétition
[^] # Re: Tout est relatif
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Trop de licences libres ?. Évalué à -2.
# gnome2.8beta1est sortit
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche Un aperçu de GNOME 2.8. Évalué à 1.
garnome n'est pas encore mais ça devrait pas tarder
[^] # Re: c'est encore loin
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche HP fait des infidélités à Microsoft. Évalué à 0.
en 1994 qui connaissait linux ?
[^] # Re: c'est encore loin
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse à la dépêche HP fait des infidélités à Microsoft. Évalué à 0.
de toute façons les modifications que tu dois apporter sur une fiat pour mettre un moteur de ferrari hein ça va couter tres cher
les comparaisons a la con c'est gentil , mais bon ça n'a iren a voir
[^] # Re: cher andy
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Munich suspend sa migration Linux !. Évalué à 0.
source ?
je te signale que IBM était actionnaire de Suse et que la participation d'iBM dans Novell ( achat "d'action aprés l'onnonce de la vente de suse a novell )correspond a peu près a sa participation dans Suse
# d'autre info
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Munich suspend sa migration Linux !. Évalué à -5.
It's because the Green party wishes to firm up the position of the German federal government against software patenting. The EU recently passed a software patenting directive during the "first reading". That directive must now go to the "second reading", and parties in various European nations are mobilizing opposition to it. The Greens expect the City to find that global increases in software patenting would severely hinder Linux and Open Source, and make that clear to the federal government.
It's unfortunate that in response to the petition, the Munich authorities have frozen work on the Linux migration while they figure out the political problem. But this does point out, accurately, the problem of software patenting and hopefully will lead to additional action against it in Europe.- Bruce Perens "
le but est de montrer les dangers de la directive européenes sur les brevets
# euh ?
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Sun envisagerait de racheter Novell. Évalué à 0.
[^] # Re: Des captures, des captures, des captures !
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal EFL Preview Release: Asparagus. Évalué à 3.
# amd64 ?
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Debian Sarge freeze le 31 juillet. Évalué à 3.
ou en est la discussion et quel GR est passé a ce sujet ?
[^] # Re: amha
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Sabotage du réseau EDF. Évalué à 2.
[^] # Re: Très forts
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal « Solution » au peer-to-peer : taxe ou prison ?. Évalué à 4.
je suis déja parti ->[ ]
[^] # Re: ITER
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Pourquoi pas voter "vert" ?. Évalué à 0.
to roll = aller a la peche
dire que mes recherches sur google ne m'avait rien donner de concret ( en particulier sur le lithium )
la peche a été intérréssantes
[^] # Re: simple
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Pourquoi pas voter "vert" ?. Évalué à 1.
Leonard de Vinci
[^] # Re: ITER
Posté par 21rdoma . En réponse au journal Pourquoi pas voter "vert" ?. Évalué à -1.
pollution pour la construction estimé 3-4 de fonctionnement
la gros truc qui fait 1km de haut