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: Nouvelle directive européenne sur le droit d'auteur dite « IP Enforcement »

Posté par jean-baptiste soufron (page perso, ). Modéré le 23 octobre 2003.
D'un côté, les militants du libre se battent pour empêcher le vote d'une directive européenne qui reconnaîtrait la validité des brevets logiciels. De l'autre côté, Janelly Fourtou, députée européenne, la femme du patron de Vivendi, Jean-René Fourtou, élabore une directive pour étendre la portée des droits d'auteur en Europe.

Le New York Times y consacre un article assez vitriolé que je vous laisse lire...

NdM : a priori pas d'échos dans les média français/francophones...
NdM2 : dans l'intérêt de tout le monde (internautes et webmasters), merci de ne pas recopier intégralement les articles dans les commentaires.

> Lire la dépêche (138 commentaires, moyenne: 2,1).  

Comment peut-on sérieusement laisser la femme du patron de Vivendi élaborer une loi sur le droit d'auteur en Europe ?!? D'après Madame Fourtou, cela ne lui pose aucun problème de conscience...

Rien d'étonnant alors à ce que cette loi soit beaucoup plus liberticide que tout ce qui existe aujourd'hui en Europe ou même aux USA. Le projet de Madame Fourtou vise essentiellement à criminaliser toute atteinte aux droits d'auteurs pour envoyer les gens qui échangent des fichiers sur Internet en prison. Pour ça, il faut bien sûr faire sauter les limites traditionnelles qui existent d'une façon ou d'une autre dans toutes les législations du monde.

Lecture indispensable pour savoir ce qui nous arrive après les brevets et les mesures techniques...

Cette discussion est archivée, il n'est plus possible de laisser des commentaires.

Note : les commentaires appartiennent à ceux qui les ont postés. Nous n'en sommes pas responsables.

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par lezardbreton (Jabber id, page perso, ) le 23/10/2003 à 07:04. (lien). Évalué à 13.

Ha, le New York Times, avec son éditorialiste (Friedman) qui m'a le plus énervé...
Je vous fais une petite citation d'avant la guerre en Irak ?
"Maintenant, je sais que dès que Dominique de Villepin sera pour, je serai contre, dès qu'il sera contre, je serai pour" (je retrouve pas la page, donc c'est approximatif). Si c'est pas de l'argumentation, ca...

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par Mickael_83 (page perso, ) le 23/10/2003 à 07:08. (lien). Évalué à 5.

Ah zut, je pourrais pas lire l'article faut s'inscrire. Et c'est faire trop d'honneur à ce torchon que de m'inscrire. Y'en a un qui peut faire un copier/coller (à moins qu'il risque d'aller en tole pour ça )?

[+] Vu qu'il n'y a toujours pas de brevet sur les fôtes, je me permets de corriger...

Posté par Sixel (page perso, ) le 23/10/2003 à 07:15. (lien). Évalué à -3.

côté [2 fois]

droits d'auteurs [dans l'article aussi]

pas d'échos dans les médias français/francophones

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Voilà, ci tout!

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"Il faut" (Ezekiel 18:4) "forniquer" (Corinthiens 6:9, 10) "avec des chiens" (Thessaloniciens 1:6-9) "morts" (Timothée 3:1-10).

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par Hubert (page perso, ) le 23/10/2003 à 07:20. (lien). Évalué à 4.

Chère Jeleny,

Tu voudrais que ton mari t'offre cette magnifique robe que tu as vu au défilé. Mais René a dit "ça dépendra du résultat!". Et puis il y a eu cette idée, de mettre en prison tous ces délinquants qui n'ont même pas assez d'argent pour acheter les CD Universal à 20€ (1)... C'est pas bête, avec les indemnités réclamées au tribunal, ça pourrait sans doute payer le vêtement. Mais tu sais, le droit d'auteur n'est jamais qu'un droit, ce n'est pas un fourre-tout où il suffit d'avoir du pouvoir (de l'argent) pour en faire ce qu'on veut...
Et le devoir de liberté qu'en fais-tu ?

Réponse : Je le nie
signé Jeleny

...


(1) : il me semblait que la branche Universal avait été vendu il y a peu, vous confirmez ? Dans ce cas, pourquoi tout ça ?

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par Roger Rabbit () le 23/10/2003 à 07:24. (lien). Évalué à 1.

Un peut foure-tout cette directive


Bon sinon regardez bien , c'est un fake
des nuls : vous reconnaitrez chantale
lobby [!] sur la photo


Mais ou donc est cette sortie ?

saloperie d'hypercube !

/me sort quand même

[+] Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par Nicolas Boulay () le 23/10/2003 à 07:25. (lien). Évalué à -2.

Europe's Antipiracy Proposal Draws Criticism
By PAUL MELLER

Published: October 20, 2003

BRUSSELS, Oct. 19 - In an effort to fight product counterfeiting and piracy, the European Union is preparing to enact a sweeping intellectual property law that critics say is ill-conceived and tilted heavily in favor of copyright and patent holders.

The proposal would go far beyond existing laws in Europe and the United States by classifying copyright violations and patent infringements, even some unwitting ones, as crimes punishable by prison terms.
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Lawyers who have studied a draft of the proposed law say that not only could a teenager who downloaded a music file be sent to jail under it; so too could managers of the Internet service provider that the teenager happened to use, whether they knew what the teenager was doing or not.

The proposed law would also make it easier for drug manufacturers to forestall generic competition by effectively stretching the duration of their patents, the critics say, and even the makers of replacement auto parts could face prosecution if they sell their wares to consumers.

Backers of the proposed law, which would replace a patchwork of regulations in the union's 15 member countries, include influential European Union officials like Frits Bolkestein, the union's commissioner for internal markets, whose department drafted the proposed law, and Janelly Fourtou, the French member of the European Parliament who is in charge of leading the debate on it.

Mr. Bolkestein said in an interview last month that criminal penalties, which are rarely invoked in European laws, were necessary in this case "because the issue of counterfeiting is becoming overwhelming in importance."

Major corporations in three industries that suffer the most from counterfeiting - music, films and computer software - have combined their lobbying to try to make the proposed law as tough and far-reaching as possible. Even so, when Mr. Bolkestein unveiled the commission's proposed draft in January, trade associations from the three industries issued a joint statement saying that the commission had "failed to introduce urgently needed measures to hold back the epidemic of counterfeiting."

Opposition to the new law was slow to develop but is gaining momentum. Companies like Nokia, the BT Group, and even Microsoft, itself a major victim of software piracy, have called the proposed law excessive and have warned that it could crush technical innovation.

No one on either side of the debate doubts that product counterfeiting is a major problem. The European Commission estimates that it cost the union 8 billion euros ($9.3 billion) a year in lost economic output from 1998 to 2001. Industry groups say that up to two-thirds of all software in use in Central and Eastern Europe is pirated and that one out of three music CD's sold worldwide is counterfeit.

There is a broad consensus here that a Europewide enforcement law is needed because so much of the illegal activity crosses national boundaries. But there is less agreement on what the law should cover.

The proposal before the European Parliament is broad, going beyond movies, music and software to take in all types of intellectual property including patents, copyrights, trademarks and registered designs.

Critics say that such a sweeping law far exceeds what is needed to combat piracy and would criminalize innocent conduct in a number of situations that cannot reasonably be called counterfeiting.

For example, designers at rival technology companies race to match and improve on each other's work, and must make business decisions every day about the subtle line separating permissible innovation from patent infringement. If crossing that line is made a crime instead of just a civil matter, critics like Nokia say, companies will become much more timid in the laboratory.

"It is vitally important that this directive strike the right balance between protecting the interests of right holders without unfairly impeding others from competing," said Tim Frain, director of intellectual property at Nokia.

Greg Perry, director general of the European Generic Medicines Association, said the proposed law would give the big drug companies "the best tool they could have ever wished for" to fight off generics.

By forcing makers of generic drugs to win court permission to bring their versions to market, the big patented-drug makers "could use this proposed law to extend their monopoly by stretching their patent a further 18 months or so beyond its expiry date," Mr. Perry said. "We agree that patents should be respected, but we can't support what would end up allowing for an abuse of the legal system to prevent legitimate competition."
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Ms. Fourtou, the Parliament member shepherding the proposed law through debate, said in an interview that she had begun to see merit in leaving patents out of it, because "the issue of patents is so complex."

Last month, a debate on another proposed law on the patentability of software provoked one of the bitterest lobbying battles the Parliament had ever seen, according to several members. Ms. Fourtou said she did not want to see the enforcement law bog down in the same way.

"We are not in a rush, but we'd like this directive agreed before the union takes in the new members from Eastern Europe," she said. She said she also wanted to see the law enacted before parliamentary elections next summer. "I may not be here after the elections," she said.

While she is willing to narrow the proposed law to exclude patents, Ms. Fourtou is trying to expand its reach over copyrights, and in doing so she has drawn some criticism for a perceived conflict of interest.

The commission's original draft limited criminal penalties to those who violate copyrights "for commercial purposes" - language that would exclude consumers swapping music files.

But Ms. Fourtou has struck that limitation from the amended text of the proposed law. "In this sense, the scope of the directive is too narrow," she said. "Even if you aren't downloading music for profit, you still are having a very negative effect on authors and musicians. Even a young boy who does it innocently causes an economic countereffect.

"The Internet is a new way of living for young people," she continued. "It would be very good to send out a message to them, teach them right from wrong."

Ms. Fourtou said the change also brought the proposed law into line with World Trade Organization agreements on intellectual property and with "the wishes of a large number of professionals," referring mainly to the record industry.

One of the world's largest record companies is owned by Vivendi Universal, a French conglomerate whose chief executive is Ms. Fourtou's husband, Jean-René Fourtou.

Ms. Fourtou said that when she was given charge of the proposed law in March, neither she nor her colleagues in Parliament saw her husband's job as a reason for her to recuse herself. "There was a plenary session of the Parliament in July last year," when Mr. Fourtou took the post at Vivendi, she said. "My colleagues all saw his name and his photo in the newspapers. It was not a problem for them. My conscience doesn't have a problem with this."

Some lawyers and legal experts say that, whether it was influenced by her husband's position or not, Ms. Fourtou's amendment would give rights holders too much power.

William Cornish, a professor at Cambridge University, and Josef Drexl, Reto Hilty and Annetee Kur from the Max Planck Institute in Germany criticized lawmakers in a statement for rushing through a disproportionate bill tailored too closely to the wishes of lobbyists.

"Haste and political pressure from interest groups do not make for good counsel when it comes to regulating complex and sensitive fields like that of sanctions and procedural measures for I.P. protection," they wrote.

Thomas Vinje, a partner in the Brussels law firm Morrison & Foerster who shares the concerns expressed by the academics, said Ms. Fourtou's amendments made a bad proposal worse. "She is putting a dangerous weapon in the hands of, among others, the big record companies," he said.

Internet service providers worry about being caught between the proposed law and other European Union rules on data privacy. A provision of the enforcement bill would subject them to criminal sanctions if they failed to provide information to copyright holders about subscribers who may be infringing their rights.

"The balance between privacy of subscribers and the duty to cooperate with right holders seeking to protect their intellectual property that was reached in the e-commerce directive could be changed by this directive," said Tilmann Kupfer, British Telecom's European regulatory manager.

Mr. Bolkestein, the European commissioner responsible for the proposed law, said in an interview in September that he was not aware of concerns that it could trip up legitimate businesses, and said his staff would look into them. Three weeks later, his spokesman, Jonathan Todd, said the commission stood by the draft it presented in January.

"The directive changes nothing regarding the definition of rights, whether they be patent rights, copyright or any other kind of right," Mr. Todd said. "All this changes is the penalties."

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par corn () le 23/10/2003 à 07:29. (lien). Évalué à 7.

Il y aun article a ce propos sur http://swpat.ffii.org/players/jfourtou/index.en.html.(...)

D'ailleurs, elle s'appelle Janelly et pas Jeleny. Il faut aussi noter qu'elle est deputee europeenne, en plus d'etre la femme de Jean-Rene Fourtou, et c'est en cette qualite qu'elle peut presenter une directive.

Re: La femme du patron de Vivendi fait sa cuisine au parlement européen

Posté par Gohar () le 23/10/2003 à 08:00. (lien). Évalué à 7.

La notion de contrefaçon utilisée par M. Bolkestein (« the issue of counterfeiting is becoming overwhelming in importance » : « le problème de la contrefaçon devient extrêmement important ») me semble totalement abusive.

La contrefaçon, c'est une imitation. Si je fabrique de fausses chemises Lacoste, de fausses pièces de Renault Laguna, voire de faux médicaments, je crée des produits qui ressemblent aux originaux, selon une méthode de production différente. Le produit contrefait ne présente jamais toutes les caractéristiques de l'original. Outre le non-respect des droits de « propriété intellectuelle » du producteur, il y a surtout tromperie sur la marchandise vis-à-vis du consommateur. Tromperie qui peut être dramatique dans le cas des pièces automobiles ou des médicaments.

Si je fais une copie d'un CD musical ou d'un logiciel, ce n'est pas de la contrefaçon. C'est une copie. Et le produit copié a exactement les mêmes caractéristiques que l'original. Je ne lèse pas le consommateur. Seul, éventuellement, le producteur. Ou, plus souvent, l'éditeur.

Quand M. Bolkestein parle donc de contrefaçon, c'est de manière contrefaite. Et la directive ne peut servir qu'à protéger les droits abusifs des éditeurs.